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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
WEST PALM BEACH

IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR

Grand Jury #07-103 (TUES-WPB)
west Palm Beach, Florida
Tuesday, May 15, 2007

TESTIMONY

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NANCY SIEGEL, COURT RE

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PROCEEDINGS

The sworn testimony of JJ] BE BE as taken

before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division,
701 Clematis Street, West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County,
state of Florida, on the 15th day of may, 2007.

NANCY SIEGEL, Registered Merit Reporter and Notary
Public was authorized to and did report the sworn
testimony.
Thereupon,
I IE
a witness of lawful age, having been first duly sworn by
the foreperson, testified on her oath as follows:

Q Good morning, Special Agent. Could you state

and spell your name for the record.

Q And with whom do you work?
A The FBI here in west Palm Beach.
Q and are you here today on the continuing

investigation known as Operation Leap Year?
A Yes, I am.
0 And you are one of the case agents on this

investigation, correct?

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A, yes, I am,

Q The last time you were here we were discussing
the evidence supporting various overt acts and charges
related to Jane Does number 1 and 27?

A Yes,

Q Today we are going to start with Jane Doe
number 3. can you tell the Grand Jury who that is and

summarize briefly your previous testimony about her.

A Jane Doe number 3 is BHI J and she first
started, we have first phone contact with INN [1] ] |]
starting in December of 2004, HEN would have been 16
or 17 at that time, let me do the math real quick, she
would have been 16 -- sorry, I am sorry, she would have

been at that time 17, let's get it right, so she started

phone contact, | HI started calling her in

September of 2004.

From testimony we know that ]]T] went there

earlier, much earlier. [|] ] i which was Jane Doe

number 4 you will hear about next, they were good

friends and they both went in the spring of '04, prior

to In 17th birthday, so [1] |] did start giving

Mr. Epstein massages when she was 16, she performed a
few massages for Mr. Epstein and then took kind of a

little bit of a break.

The sexual activity that occurred with

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Mr. Epstein when [| was under the age of 18

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nn she was given gifts by Mr. Epstein, she was

given a I she was given Victoria Secret
underwear, she was also given a car that Mr. Epstein
rented for her for a number of months, she was paid $200
by Mr, Epstein and Be was the one that primarily
called to set up appointments and as you can see
that began in December of '04,.

[| was also one of Mr. Epstein’s
favorites, according to several of the other girls.

Q Just so the grand Jury has an idea, how does

that translate into the number of phone calls between

ne and ne that you were able to calculate?
A Be I called her, I guess calls between

the two of them ranged around 125 phone calls from
pecember 6th, 2004 until October, 2005.

Q and just briefly can you remind the Grand Jury
did — ever tell Mr. Epstein her age?

No, they did not ever discuss, she did not
tell him how old she was, but she did tell him where she
planned on going to school and that she was in |

she stated that when it came to her age that

Mr. Epstein didn't care. As I mentioned earlier, ne

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and ne were very good friends and [ would talk

about [ and Mr. Epstein would ask questions about

ne when ] was providing massages and as we will

talk about when we talk about Jane Doe number 4, which

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is [ } she told Mr. Epstein that she was a junior in

high school and that [JJ Jl and her were in the me
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and [ told us that at one point ne had come to

her because she had slipped about prom and she was
worried because Epstein was supposed to think she was
and she had talked about the prom and I said she
never heard anything else about it and they never
brought it up.

Q Because, according to [. Mr. Epstein
didn't care really how old the girls were?

A Exactly.

Q And she never mentioned he asked her for her
age or asked for any form of identification to show
whether she was or was not over 187

A NO.

Q Now, if you could turn to the proposed
indictment and if I could ask you to look at overt act

number 59.

A we had a little knock at the door. Do you

want me to get it?

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Yes,
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I will let you see a picture of Jane Doe

number 4, [J]. who we were talking about earlier, and

this is ] Is there anyplace you want to put it

right down here in front?

Q

And just so the record is clear, those are the

photographs that we showed to the Grand Jury last week?

A

Q

Yes, it is.

so if you could turn to overt act number 59

which appears on page 12, and if you could explain to

the Grand Jury the evidence we have related to that

phone call or phone calls on December 6th, 2004.

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On December 6th, 2004 a review of the phone

records indicate that there was telephonic phone contact

between the numbers belonging to |] HE and
nn B as well as we have evidence with

I statements of the phone calls being made to

ner by [IE

Q

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And overt act number 607

A review of the phone records indicate

telephonic contact between the numbers belonging to

Be ne and I on December 12, 2004.

Q

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And overt act number 647

A review of the phone records indicate

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telephonic contact between numbers belonging to [I
] and HE December 14th, 2004.

Q And just so that it is clear to the Grand
Jury, when the overt acts says that defendant [IN

made one or more telephone calls, that means that the

call is originating from Ie ] phone, is that

correct?
A Yes, it does.
Q And if you could turn to overt act number 71.
A On December 20th a review of the phone records

indicate that there was telephonic contact between ne
Q And overt act number 797

A On January 6th, 2005 a review of phone records
indicate there was telephone contact between numbers
belonging to [ ne and mm

Q And number 837

A On January 14th, 2005 a review of the phone
records indicate telephonic contact between numbers
belonging to BE ] and HE

Q And with respect to the other overt acts
related to the phone calls which would be 94, 100, 102

104, 112, 118, 125, 129 and 132 is the evidence the

same?

A Yes, on or about each of those dates a review

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4 Q Now, if IT could direct your attention to Count
5 number 7 which appears on page 26 of the draft

6 indictment, that is a charge of indictment of a minor

7 during the period of December 6th, 2004 through June 2nd
8 of 2005, could you summarize for the Grand Jury the

9 evidence related to that count.

10 A on or about these dates the facility of

11 interstate commerce, the telephone, specifically |

12 he and I were utilized to set up

13 appointments, massage appointments for Epstein. (
14 puring the massages and on more than one

15 occasion epstein [EEE I he

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HA a victoria Secret bra and panty sets

and he also rented her a car for several months.

Q And just so that it is clear, you mentioned he
paid her on several occasions, he paid her every time
she performed these lewd acts, correct?

A Yes, $200.

Q and J BE is 'isted as a defendant with
respect to Jane Doe number 3 as well, and can you

explain to the Grand Jury a little bit more about who

|] is and why she is charged in this count?
A HIE Bl is one of Mr. Epstein's personal

assistants as well and she made appointments for him for

these massages.

we have contact between []]] HEIN phone
and | rhone, she contacted BE :rrroximately

25 times.

Q And that's why she is also charged with
someone who is either an aider or abetter or a
coconspirator with respect to this?

A Yes,

Q Okay. If I could direct your attention to
Count number 32 which appears on page 30, Count number

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A I got. 32.

Q what is the evidence related to?

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A I am sorry, I didn't hear you ask me the
question, I thought you said refer to it.
The evidence is we have flight records that
indicate on December 13th, 2004 Epstein traveled to Palm
Beach County on the Gulfstream, there was telephonic

contact between ne ne and ne | | the day

before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual

conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and EE [|] as we

described earlier in Count 7.

0 And just to refresh the recollection of the

Grand Jury, the Gulfstream aircraft is the one owned by

Hyperion?
A Air, Inc.
Q and when you said that there was telephone

contact, you recall that in overt act number 60 that we

discussed phone calls on December 12th, correct?

A we did.

Q Okay. If I could direct you to Count number
35 and if you could tell the Grand Jury about the
evidence according to that count.

A Again, we have flight records that indicate
that on January 6th, 2005 Epstein traveled to Palm Beach
County on the Gulfstream again, there was telephonic

contact between I I and ] the day before,

the day of that travel, we also talked about the sexual (

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HI

Q And can you tell us again what aircraft they
flew on on January 6th?

A That was the Gulfstream which was owned by
Hyperion Air, Inc.

Q Okay. If I could direct you to Count 36 and
again if you could summarize that evidence.

A we have flight records that indicate that on
January 14th, 2005 Epstein, HI and Hl traveled to
Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727 that wr. Epstein
owns, there was telephonic contact between [1 |] CC]
and | BM the day before, the day of that
travel, as well as we have the sexual conduct between
Jeffrey Epstein and | []]] Bl as we described

earlier, and I will tell you that [1] is -- [1] ]]
IB. Vr. epstein’s personal assistant, and Bl is

BE BB vc talked about just a few minutes ago,

Mr. Epstein, another of Mr. Epstein's personal

assistants.

Q And 1f I could direct your attention to Count

37 and ask you to summarize the evidence related to that

count.
A we have flight records that indicate that on

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telephonic contact between [jj] EN 2n< IEEE
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the sexual conduct between Epstein and }

Q And if I could direct your attention to Count
number 38.

“A In Count number 38 we have flight records that
indicate on February 10th, 2005 Mr. Epstein, ne

BE EEE EEN oc BE BE croveled to

Palm Beach County on the Gulfstream, there was telephone
contact between | HN ard IE BB the day
before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual
conduct between Mr. Epstein and | N-

Q Now, I am sorry, on Count number 38, which
airline were they on?

A They were on the Gulfstream.

Q Can I ask you to double-check that? There is
an inconsistency between the chart and the indictment or

we can save that for a later date.

A It is right here.

Q I will mark that we need to check on Count
number 38.

A I have the flight manifest with me if you want

me to check, I don't know if you want me to do that now.

Q ves, if you don't mind.

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A In Count 38, flight records indicate on

February 10th, 2005 that Mr. Epstein, ] I
HE BE oo BE BE cre in fact on the

Boeing 727.

Q so the draft indictment contains the correct

information?

A Yes, it does.

Q what company owns the Boeing 7277

A JEGE, Inc., Incorporated.

Q And if I could take you to Count number 39.

A Evidence shows through flight records that on

February 21st, 2005 Epstein, [ 1] ] I
and he TT traveled to Palm Beach County on

the Boeing 727, there was telephonic contact between

BE BE -oi« BE BB hc day before or the day

of travel, there was also the sexual conduct between

Epstein and  }

Q And if I could take you to Count number 40,
please.
A we have flight records that indicate on

February 24th, 2005 Epstein, nl } I

I traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing

727, there was telephonic contact between [ ne
and ] [| the day before, the day of travel, and

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there was sexual conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and
he as we described earlier in Count 7.

Q and if you could do Count 42.

A we have evidence that shows flight records,
that flight records indicate that on March 18th, 2005

Epstein traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727,

there was telephonic contact between ne ne and
ne ne the day of or the day before travel, we

have the sexual conduct between Mr. Epstein and ]

Q and just referring to that count, he ne

is named, although she was not on the flight that day,

is that correct?

A Yes.

Q and you said that she made the telephone calls
with ] correct?

A Yes, and we also do have -- we have

interviewed Mr. Epstein's pilots and one of the pilots
indicated that — was the one that arranged all of
Mr. Epstein's travel arrangements and so she is
responsible for making his arrangements to travel to
Palm Beach as well as call the girls for the

appointments.

Q If I could take you to Count number 43,
please.
A Flight records indicate that on March 31st,

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Boeing 727, there was telephonic contact between [

] and ne the day before or the day of travel,

we also have the sexual conduct between Epstein as

BB described earlier in Count 7.

Q Again, in Count 44, what is the evidence

related to that?

A Flight records indicate that on April 8th,

2005 Epstein and ee ne traveled to Palm Beach

County on the Gulfstream and there was telephonic

contact between [DD FE nd ID ne on the

day before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual
conduct between Mr. Epstein and }
Q And if you could go through 45, 46 and 47.

A Count 45 we have flight records that indicate

on April 27th, 2005 Epstein and ] [ traveled to

Palm Beach County on the Gulfstream, there is telephone

contact between [ [ and ne ne the day

before or the day of travel and we have the sexual

conduct between Jeffrey and I.

In Count 46 we have flight records that
indicate that on May 6th, 2005 Epstein, |] [ and

ne le traveled to Palm Beach County on the

Gulfstream.

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day of travel and we have the sexual conduct between
Epstein and  } and in Count 47 on May 19th, 2005
we have flight records that indicate Epstein, ne

and ne he traveled to Palm Beach County on

the Gulfstream and we have telephone contact between
[ ne and ne ne the day before or the day
of travel.

We also have the sexual conduct between
Epstein and ne ne as described in the earlier
count, Count 7.

0 Now, if I could direct your attention to Count
number 51 which appears on page 33, that is the sex
trafficking of a minor involving Jane Doe number 3, and
could you briefly summarize that, the evidence related
to that.

A As we discussed earlier in Count 7, I told you
guys about the sexual conduct between Epstein and

} the monies that were paid to ne by

Mr. Epstein, the phone activity we discussed between

ne ne and ee  B it began in December,

and we also have phone calls beginning in January from

years of age, and we also have statements from [|
and JJ reoarding Mr. Epstein's knowledge of their

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Q And with respect to the affect on interstate
commerce related to that count we have both the
telephone calls, correct?

A Yes,

Q As well as Mr. Epstein actually traveling in
interstate commerce to engage in this activity, correct?

A Yes, we do.

Q Is there anything else that you would like to
mention about Jane Doe number 37

A Not at this time, no.

Q If I could direct you to Jane Doe number 4 and
if you could summarize for the Grand Jury the
information related to Jane Doe number 4's activities.

A Jane Doe number 4 is he i I think you \

wanted their birth dates, her birth date is

We first have contact through phone calls from

BE BE :c BB on April 25th, 2004 which
indicates and shows that ne was clearly 16 years of

age when she started going to Mr. Epstein's and

performing massages for Mr. Epstein.

[ 1 our Jane Doe number 1, was the one
who recruited  B she basically told ne that she

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could make $200, she needed to dress cute, he might try
to touch you, but if you feel uncomfortable just let him
know and he will stop, and the first massage that he
did he repeatedly told B and I mentioned this to
you in the last Grand Jury session, she was very shy and
he would repeatedly tell her not to be so shy, that she
didn't have to be so shy.

Epstein asked her to remove her clothing and

she told him no, and throughout the massage he would

repeatedly grab at her, a he did
BE: ouoh this first massage and pulled her

clothes, she would pull away and she was paid $200 for
that.

Upon leaving the first massage Mr. Epstein

told ne that if ne was willing to do more she

would get paid more. He also informed I that if she
would bring her pretty friends he would also pay her for
bringing her pretty friends. He told Be that ne
would get her phone number.

a says that she performed three to four
massages for Mr. Epstein. We have with he
approximately a hundred phone calls between he he
and [NR

when I interviewed Be she became very upset

when we got to the sexual massages that she did for

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Mr. Epstein. At this point, this is as much as we know
at this point of what occurred with Mr. Epstein and
1

She did three to four massages and those last
massages they became more sexual in nature, he asked her
again to remove her clothing, this time she took her
shirt off, he asked her to take her bra off, she said

no.

EE ic did continue [NNN this time

she } He continued to compliment

her, tell her she had a nice body and that she was

pretty.

ne says that he was very nice and engaged
her in conversation, asked her, you know, if she had a
boyfriend. In the last massage she discusses with me,
and this massage Mr. Epstein told her to stop being shy

and asked her to take her clothes off and Ie said

that she had a boyfriend and she didn't feel comfortable
taking her clothes off and he told her you should know
what to expect by now when you come here, and he jerked
on her pants as to like jerk them down, so she did on
this last massage get down to her bra and underwear.

She describes his tone at this time being

frustrated and irritated, she stayed in her bra and

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underwear, but during the massage he grabbed her bra and

pulled it down and } he had
instructed her to [NNN ile she

was massaging his chest, he tried to grab her all over,
he knew that she was upset with this massage.

At one point Mr. Epstein asked her if she had
sex with her boyfriend, ne informs him that she 1s
still a virgin and he responds what, you don't like sex?
and that's pretty much the way that last massage went.

0 Mow, Special Agent F just to
interrupt you, you mentioned that Jane Doe number 4
became very upset as you were asking her about the
massages, correct?

A Yes.

Q And when she was describing this incident with
him grabbing at her breast and trying to pull her pants
down and instructing her to remove her pants, correct?

A Yes.

Q vou had talked last week about the expert that
you had spoken with about interviewing victims of these
types of offenses?

A Right.

Q And vou had told us about how a victim may be
reticent at first to tell the entire story until a

rapport is built?

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A Right.

Q Can you tell the Grand Jury your impressions
of your interview with 1

A She became so visibly upset, and a lot of the

girls are embarrassed of what took place, but when she
talked about the last massage and him grabbing her
breasts and fondling her breasts she was in tears and we
stopped the massage and we calmed her down, trying to go
back there was just too difficult, I could not get her
back to discussing anything further that had taken
place.
I have since then -- I have since talked to

I 202in and 1 feel there is more there, but I just
don't think she is ready to disclose what took place.

Q So based upon the more than 60 telephone calls
as well as --

A Approximately a hundred.

Q -- 100 telephone calls and your conversations

with Jil you think there is probably more than four
massages that happened?

A Yes, I do.

Q was there anything else that you wanted to

discuss with the Grand Jury?
A Just, as I stated in the beginning of those

massages, they engaged in conversation and throughout

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that conversation, you know, she did inform Mr. Epstein
that she was a junior in high school and again she is
one of the girls that talks about ne being Mr.
Epstein's favorite, so because Mr. Epstein knew they

were friends they would engage in conversation about

BE. znd J vould mention they were in the |]

a and they would discuss the friendship

they had between the two girls with Mr. Epstein and I
think that's it.

Q A11 right. If we could turn to the
post-indictment to overt act number 4 which appears on
page number 5.

Did you obtain telephone records for Jane Doe

number 47

A Yes.

Q And did you compare those with the phone
records of | and others?

A yes, I did.

Q and can you tell us with respect to overt act

number 4 what evidence you have related to that?

A A review of the phone records indicate that
there was telephonic contact between the numbers
belonging to ne [| and ne as well as ne
statements that ne would call her to make

appointments.

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Q And if we could go through overt acts 6, 8, 9
and 11, all of which appear on page 6.

A A review of the phone records on May 3rd,
2004, may 14th, 2004, may 20th, 2004 and June 3rd, 2004,
a review of those phone records indicate that there was
telephonic contact between numbers belonging to ]
BE co BE 2: v1 as JE statements.

Q If I could take you to overt acts 14, 15 and
19 which appear on page 7.

A A review of the phone records on June 11th,
2004, June 20th, 2004 and July 10th, 2004, they indicate
that there is telephonic contact between the numbers
belonging to [| TB ao IN.

Q And if I could ask you to turn to page 8 and
if you could address overt acts 24 and 25.

A A review of the phone records on July 18th,

2004 and July 22nd, 2004, a review of [| I and
[ a phone records indicate there is

telephonic contact belonging to both of them as well as

HE statements that [ would arrange

appointments with her.

Q If I could take you to page 9 of the draft
proposed indictment and ask about overt acts 29 and 30.
A A review of the phone records indicate there

is telephonic contact on July 22nd, 2004 and August 4th,

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as well as statements.

Q If I could take you to page 10 of the draft

proposed indictment and ask you about overt acts 37 and
43.
A A review of phone records indicate telephonic

contact on August 25th, 2004 and october 3rd, 2004

between numbers belonging to he ne and ne
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Q and if you could turn to page 11 of the draft

proposed indictment and if you would address overt acts
47 and 48.
A A review of the phone records indicate

telephonic contact on October 30th, 2004 and November

4th, 2004 between numbers belonging to me ne and
ne B as well ne statements.

Q okay. and if you could go to page 14 of the

draft proposed indictment and address overt act number
77.

A A review of phone records indicate that on
January 4th, 2005 there was telephonic contact between
statements.

Q I'm sorry. If you could turn to page 16 of

the draft proposed indictment and address overt act

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A A review of the phone records indicate that on
January 22, 2005 there is telephonic phone contact
between numbers belonging to [NEB HB and IB and
I believe I said on January 22nd, 2005.

Q Okay. And if you could go to page 17 and
address overt act number 101.

A on February 14th, 2005 a review of the phone

records indicate that there was telephonic contact on

that day between numbers belonging to |B FB and

BEB. as well as J statements.
Q If you could turn to pages 18 and 19 and if

you would address overt acts 106, 114 and 116.

A A review of the phone records indicate that

there is telephonic contact between [NN WR and
[|] on February 24th, 2005 as well as ne

statements.
Q Overt act number 114 says on March 18th, 2005

defendant [JBI prepared a written message to defendant
Epstein regarding Jane Doe number 4, could you tell the

Grand Jury what the evidence is related to that?

A we have a review of the message pads that were

recovered during the search warrant that the State

served that showed that he ne wrote a message to
epstein regarding [Jill and that was done on march 18th,

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Q po you happen to remember what the message
said?

A I have those with me.

Q would you mind getting them out?

A Do you want to mark it?

Q If you could just read it to the Grand Jury.

A It is a message written by [JJ for Jeffrey

on 3/18/2005, it looks like 4:21 p.m., and the message
reads is it okay if ne will come at 5:00 and there is
a question mark.

Q And if h could direct you to overt act number
116, what the evidence is related to that.

A A review of the phone records on March 29th,
2005 indicate that there is telephonic contact between
BE BE |] EB well as her -- | EGB
statements.

Q and if I could take you to overt act number
127 which is on page 20.

A A review of phone records on April 11th, 2005

indicate that there is telephonic phone contact between

the numbers belonging to nn a and he as well
as JE statements.

Q . Now, if you could go to Count number 8, which

alleges that between April 25th, 2004 and June 29th, (

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2005 Jeffrey Epstein, ] I ne enticed

Jane Doe number 4 to engage in sexual activity or
prostitution.

A On or about these dates we have a facility of
interstate commerce, specifically the telephones, 1]

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set up, arrange massage appointments for Epstein, we
have [1] ] taking [ upstairs to set up the
massage table, she would set the massage table up as
well as set up the lotions and the oils, we have during

those massages Epstein would grab and pull I closer

to him as he ] he repeatedly would ask her to

remove her clothing, wearing her bra and underwear,
Epstein would pull down her bra and |]

ne he attempted co | - one point
but she stopped him, he INE. she believes that

BEE. c paid her $200, he told her that he

would pay her to bring her pretty friends and would pay
her more if she would do more.

0 And just so that this is clear to the Grand
Jury, June 29th of 2005 is the day before Jane Doe
number 4 turned 18, is that correct?

A Yes.

Q So was there activity that continued past her

18th birthday?

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A Yes,

Q If I could direct you to Count number 17,
which appears on page 28, and tell us about the evidence
related to that,

A we have evidence through flight records that
indicate on May 21st, 2004 that Epstein and [Jl

a traveled to Palm Beach County on the

Gulfstream, we have telephonic contact between ne and
ne ne the day before or the day of travel and we
have the sexual conduct between Epstein and ne as we
described earlier in Count 8.
Q And if you could go through Counts 18 and 19.
A we have flight records that indicate on June

4th, 2004 Epstein and a a traveled to Palm

Beach County on the Gulfstream, we have telephone

contact between [| HN and J the day before,

the day of travel, we have sexual conduct between
Mr. Epstein and he as discussed earlier.

we have also Count 19 on June 20th, 2004 we
have flight records that indicate that Epstein and he
a traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing
727.

we have the telephone contacts between [JJ

[| and ne the day before, the day of travel, we

also have the sexual conduct between Jeffrey and [J

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as we described earlier in Count 8.

Q Could you do the same for Counts 22 and 23,
please.
A Count 22 we have flight records that indicate

on July 22nd, 2004 Epstein, Hin Lo] |]

SE traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing
727, we have the telephonic phone contact between Inn
BE 2nd J the day before or the day of travel, we
also have the sexual conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and
Bl 2s we described earlier, and Count 23 we have
flight records that indicate on August 6th, 2004 Epstein

and [|] Hi traveled to Palm Beach County on the
Boeing 727, we have telephonic contact between [|] ]

CL] and Hin two days prior to Epstein and ]]]
Bl traveling to Palm Beach County, we have sexual

conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and HE as we

described earlier.

Q And if you could do the same for Count number
28, please.
A Count number 28 we have flight records that

indicate on November 5th, 2004 Epstein, | [|] |
]]] I traveled to Palm Beach County on the

Gulfstream, we have telephonic contact between IBN

Bl and BE B the day before or the day of travel,

we have the sexual conduct between Epstein and BN

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Q and if I could direct you to Count number 35,
you testified previously about the people who were
aboard the plane.

was there also telephone contact on January

6th -- excuse me, shortly before the flight on January
6th, 2005 between [ij and this Jane Doe?

A Yes, two days before.

Q and if you look at Count number 40, again, you
had previously told us about who was on board the plane.

can you tell us whether there was also telephone contact

shortly before that?

A There was telephone contact the day of or the
day before. (
Q All right. Between who and who?
A setween [IN TN 2"¢ TN
Q okay. and if you could look at Count 43, you
also had testified previously about who was aboard the
plane on that day.
was there also telephone contact between Jane
Doe number 4 -- excuse me, Jane Doe number 4 and [|
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Q and if I could direct you to Count number 52,
which is the sex trafficking offense, and if you could
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to that.

a we discussed in Count 8 the sexual conduct
that occurred between [ij and Epstein during the
massages that took place, we talked about the money that
was paid to her by Mr. Epstein and the offer of more
money if she would do more as well as if she would bring

her friends.

Through [ll statements we have also that

BE BE has paid her in the past for bringing a
friend, we have the phone activity between I [|
and [ which started in April, 2004, we know [
was 16 at the time, we also have phone activity between
ne ne and ne beginning in the spring of 2005
when [JJ] would be 17, with the statements of [Jj and
BB. the knowledge that Mr. Epstein knew their age,
and we have gone through that regarding [Jii} informing
Mr. Epstein that she was a junior in high school, that
she was I | and then I
statements that [ll was concerned because she was
discussing prom with Mr. Epstein, and both girls at that
time of the phone calls were under the age of 18.

Q Just again so it is clear for the Grand Jury,
neither [ll nor | cver specifically said hey,
Jeffrey, I am 17, but they provided information that

should have caused him to try to figure out whether in

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A Yes.

Q Any questions about Jane Doe number 4 before

we turn to Jane poe number 57 ves, EN

A GRAND JUROR: I have to say something here,
if it is a stupid question forgive me if it is,
from what I heard, maybe I heard wrong, there were
three to four massages that Jane Doe, [JJ or
IB J said that she had and you enumerated quite
a few sexual contact.

How do you know about this, do you have
records, how do you know they were sexual contact?
THE WITNESS: Through interviewing [J

A GRAND JUROR: She said she only had three to
four massages.

A GRAND JUROR: Her question is more like
there is 20 phone calls.

A GRAND JUROR: There is tons of them.

THE WITNESS: Exactly, that is what we were
discussing earlier when we discussed that there is
more than what [Jif is willing to admit at this
time.

A GRAND JUROR: I got Tt. So she said she
only had three to four.

A GRAND JUROR: There is a hundred phone

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A GRAND JUROR: You said you found out through
Bl am a little bit confused about that.

THE WITNESS: Through interviewing HIN she
stated that she had three or four massages from

Mr. Epstein,
Q Special Agent IHENEN the sexual activity

that you described that I vent through, that is what

she said happened during those three to four massages,

correct?
A Right.
Q Does that answer your question?

A GRAND JUROR: Not really. How do we know

Tike about all these 25, 307 |

A GRAND JUROR: There is more dates that match |
up with the amount of massages.

A GRAND JUROR: There were a hundred phone
calls,

A GRAND JUROR: Are we supposed to assume a
phone call was made each time they had sexual
contact?

THE WITNESS: No. There are lots of phone

calls made arranging appointments between the

girls, that doesn't mean that every phone call that

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was made was a trip over to Mr. Epstein's house to
perform a massage.

BB I: Yes, ma'am.

A GRAND JUROR: Couldn't they put anything in
this indictment about stalking her, are there any
rules against stalking children?

BB BB: 1 will address -- that is a
legal question that I will address when the Special
Agent is outside of the Grand Jury. Any other
factual questions related?

* A GRAND JUROR: I don't have a question
relating to Jane Doe number 4, it was a question I
asked last week, what does Mr. Epstein do for work,
how does he make his money? I asked that late,
late in the game last week.

Bl okay, I guess we can just

address that now.

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Q what is Mr. Epstein's state of profession?
A He is an ‘investor,
Q And he manages portfolios valued at about a

billion or more?

A Yes.
0 who is his best known client?
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Q And you mentioned that as gifts Mr. Epstein
tended to give victoria Secrets panties and bra sets?
A Yes.
Q Does that answer the question?
A GRAND JUROR: Yes.

Bl mmm cs. oan.

A GRAND JUROR: Count 28 I thought I heard

that -- I thought I heard the detective say that it
was the Gulfstream rather than the Boeing 727 on

flight records, just for your info.

IB mmm: count number 28, let's go back

there.

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Q Could you restate for the Grand Jury which

company owns the Gulfstream?

A The Gulfstream is owned by Hyperion Air, Inc.
Q And the Boeing is owned by whom?

A JEGE, Inc.

Q Any other questions before we go on to Jane

Doe number 57 we have four minutes.

special Agent ] why don't I ask you

to step outside so I can answer that guestion for the

Grand Jury and address some issues,

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CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER

I certify pages 2 through 36 are a true transcript of my

shorthand notes of the testimony of ll [EER

BEE before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm
Beach, Florida on the 15th day of Tuesday, 2007.

fring Aus!

Nancy Siegel-Notary Public
Commission #DD0282274
Expires May 8, 2008

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